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we live in a reality of phantoms and

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monsters they exist among us and

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sometimes they win

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even the devil was an angel once

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the world has its own rules

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and these rules are not human

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some of us seek answers to the origin

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and existence of cryptids in the

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unexplained

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join us as we venture beyond the known

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and accepted boundaries

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welcome to our nightmare i think you're

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hey folks good evening and welcome to

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another episode of phantoms and monsters

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the strange and unexplained i'm your

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so tonight lisa o'hara who has a

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bachelor of science degree in business

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administration from san jose state

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university in california

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where she lived

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until 2011

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she worked for many years in law firms

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starting as a floater legal secretary

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ending up in uni information technology

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and went on to work for engineering

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companies in silicon valley and also in

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the department of defense company that

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had ties with sri

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she is now enjoying retirement since

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retiring she discovered that she was a

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psychic medium

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and that knowledge was the catalyst for

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many discoveries about herself one of

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which

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was that she was an e.t abductee

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now after reading terry lovelace's book

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incident at devil's den she wrote to

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terry lovelace he encouraged her to

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write her own book detailing her e.t

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experiences as an abductee

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the book is titled abducted and furious

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how i fought back and how you can too

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she now lives in chandler arizona with

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her husband or two maine [\h__\h] cats the

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website is

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lisa o'hara online.com

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so lisa thanks for joining me this

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evening thank you so much for having me

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i really appreciate it

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uh so i guess the

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the most pressing question is

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after you discovered you were psychic

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that you had these encounters and you

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had these abductions

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when did you start them and uh

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what have you been going through in the

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you know since that time

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um what was the first question well when

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when did you how old were you when you

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i mean when you started when you started

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having the actual abductions i'm not

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sure actually i did a requestion and um

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i did a hypnotic regression which i

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never thought i would do because i feel

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like the et's used hypnosis so it was it

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wasn't something i really wanted to do

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but when i did do it they said that i

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was being picked up at stage three so

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and i do remember a lot of different um

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where i couldn't explain it i didn't

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a psychic or you have prophetic dreams

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you can say i'm a psychic so the things

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that happened to me were

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when you're a little girl or a little

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child you can't describe these things

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they're not it's not that you see

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something that you can't describe but

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it's that things happen to you that you

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can't describe as well you know you

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to my parents about it nobody talked

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i eventually figured out what it was

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um since i wrote the book and since um

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i'd still continued to have a lot of

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really strange experiences in my house

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and so i do con feel like i am getting

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either abducted or mind controlled while

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in an unusual way which is how i

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working using the tools in my book that

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was really going on well it was

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interesting while i was trying to figure

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on and turn off mine yes

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i was going to a medium and she

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in key of dusty but what happened was i

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spirit guide and i felt this really

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really negative presence in my room

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and before that i had no idea or you

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all of those weird experiences from my

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uh now you do have a chapter on

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the montauk project

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i located his book because i was getting

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into healing and he has a book called

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healing archetypes and symbols

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and so i use one of his symbols

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a violet tetrahedron octahedron that

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protection that you use

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well apparently i need to use more but i

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i would also use yahweh

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for whatever reason yahweh is an

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extremely powerful word

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i had heard my medium music quite a bit

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i felt this presence or this calmness

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now did you are you able to recognize

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when there is a presence or when you

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yes um i well one of the things that

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happens is that i'll get what i call a

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i'll be laying in bed and all of a

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sudden either i cannot keep my eyes open

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very suddenly i'll feel extremely tired

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like a mosquito bite

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i call it a sleep dart

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able to stop it sometimes mid-thinking

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now i know in the book you mentioned

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that you and you did mention that you

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you noticed an odor like a body odor

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type of smell um and i have had that

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before wow that does seem

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oh yeah oh yeah okay and uh and actually

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when experiencers have noticed

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foreign substances on their body just

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like a like a gel

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unexplained wetness or something

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so you know when you when you come back

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from your abduction or from your

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encounter

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and we're going to show that we're going

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to talk about the bruises in a bit but

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um other than the bruises and the marks

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is there anything else that indicates

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that something may have happened

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mostly it's the clothes that's not they

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smell bad i do also have i do

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underwater or just losing water i also

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have plaque on my teeth and i brush my

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teeth before i go to sleep so you know i

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i'll find that i have plaque like that

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i mean i didn't get anything in my sleep

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some evidence but there isn't so

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i never know what these things

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are yeah you wrote about the plaque on

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your teeth and i i've had people tell me

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that they felt like something's been

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what it is i don't know

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so vince is going to put some of the uh

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some of the bruise marks up on the

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can you kind of detail

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what what we're seeing here with these

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there we go yeah that is the most

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yeah okay so i just find these marks on

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my in the morning the next day um after

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i've fallen been forced to sleep i find

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that i have a bruise like that on my

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legs and i take a picture of it

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and you know i don't know what that is i

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mean i don't know if it's you know it

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looks like syringe marks and

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apparatus that they use on my skin i

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don't know what it's for um i've had

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sometimes numbness in the area

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you know i have no idea

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do you notice any um any implant like uh

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turn into that one that one mark on the

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left okay uh it looks like a freckle but

284
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all of those will turn into freckles

285
00:11:40,150 --> 00:11:38,640
but um there i think it's done gun mark

286
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that's what i think it is

287
00:11:44,069 --> 00:11:42,800
because they're i or it's i used to

288
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think it was a spider bite because

289
00:11:47,190 --> 00:11:46,000
spiders bite and shoes but those are

290
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pretty

291
00:11:52,310 --> 00:11:50,880
uh uniformly separated so oh wow i just

292
00:11:54,949 --> 00:11:52,320
thought they were using either cattle

293
00:11:56,870 --> 00:11:54,959
prod or stun gun marks and that's what i

294
00:11:58,949 --> 00:11:56,880
call these because that's all i can

295
00:11:59,990 --> 00:11:58,959
think of that even remotely would

296
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explain it

297
00:12:07,910 --> 00:12:05,829
oh yeah now this was an interesting one

298
00:12:10,790 --> 00:12:07,920
so see that if you look at it carefully

299
00:12:13,030 --> 00:12:10,800
it looks like sp or jp

300
00:12:14,790 --> 00:12:13,040
it looks like initials i don't actually

301
00:12:16,389 --> 00:12:14,800
know what that is i've asked other

302
00:12:17,269 --> 00:12:16,399
people they think it looks like some

303
00:12:19,750 --> 00:12:17,279
sort of

304
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musical mark

305
00:12:22,870 --> 00:12:21,360
okay he's gonna zoom in

306
00:12:25,110 --> 00:12:22,880
yeah it actually looks like an

307
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indentation of some type there in the

308
00:12:30,710 --> 00:12:28,720
middle oh yeah that's probably true

309
00:12:34,710 --> 00:12:30,720
have you ever have you ever noticed any

310
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missing pieces missing

311
00:12:43,110 --> 00:12:39,760
no i haven't uh the only thing that did

312
00:12:45,190 --> 00:12:43,120
happen to me was that i was um i had

313
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i got a cut on like the top of my knee

314
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on my right knee

315
00:12:50,870 --> 00:12:49,920
okay and my all of a sudden for no

316
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reason

317
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my cut started throbbing in the middle

318
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of the night

319
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and

320
00:13:03,509 --> 00:12:59,680
that

321
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by my bed and she was trying to convince

322
00:13:08,069 --> 00:13:06,000
me to go to her shift so i could fix it

323
00:13:11,750 --> 00:13:08,079
and so i must have

324
00:13:13,829 --> 00:13:11,760
heard you know damaged a implant but i

325
00:13:15,829 --> 00:13:13,839
didn't know it so i couldn't feel it it

326
00:13:16,870 --> 00:13:15,839
was hurting and uh

327
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yeah

328
00:13:22,629 --> 00:13:18,560
and it was interesting i've seen on some

329
00:13:25,030 --> 00:13:22,639
other shows or other other key abductees

330
00:13:27,590 --> 00:13:25,040
where they say that the um praying

331
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mantis have sort of

332
00:13:31,670 --> 00:13:29,920
human-like qualities and that's exactly

333
00:13:34,150 --> 00:13:31,680
what this happened to me with this

334
00:13:36,150 --> 00:13:34,160
praying mantis because she was talking

335
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the way i talked you know well

336
00:13:40,629 --> 00:13:38,399
if the bad guys come it'll be like would

337
00:13:42,710 --> 00:13:40,639
be okay if i take you to my sheds like

338
00:13:45,430 --> 00:13:42,720
well you know it was just

339
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funny so it wasn't formal it was very

340
00:13:49,310 --> 00:13:47,760
much the way i talk so i thought that

341
00:13:52,069 --> 00:13:49,320
was interesting and that kind of gave me

342
00:13:53,269 --> 00:13:52,079
a reason why

343
00:13:54,150 --> 00:13:53,279
it wasn't

344
00:13:57,030 --> 00:13:54,160
fake

345
00:13:58,790 --> 00:13:57,040
was this mantis or insectoid kind of

346
00:13:59,670 --> 00:13:58,800
seemed to be running the show running

347
00:14:02,870 --> 00:13:59,680
the whole

348
00:14:05,910 --> 00:14:02,880
procedure that was happening to you

349
00:14:08,550 --> 00:14:05,920
um in another encounter i had yes it

350
00:14:12,949 --> 00:14:08,560
seemed like having male characteristics

351
00:14:15,910 --> 00:14:12,959
you know like striding in and hitting me

352
00:14:18,550 --> 00:14:15,920
on my lady parts with you know a spoon

353
00:14:20,389 --> 00:14:18,560
or a tuning fork it seems very

354
00:14:23,110 --> 00:14:20,399
like that guy was in charge and it was a

355
00:14:26,150 --> 00:14:23,120
male and and the other one felt like a

356
00:14:29,829 --> 00:14:26,160
woman a womanly figure who wanted to

357
00:14:31,350 --> 00:14:29,839
take me to fix my implants

358
00:14:33,189 --> 00:14:31,360
yeah

359
00:14:38,230 --> 00:14:33,199
and she was trying to convey

360
00:14:42,870 --> 00:14:40,870
uh nurturing kind of feeling um and i

361
00:14:45,110 --> 00:14:42,880
thought it was at first you know before

362
00:14:47,189 --> 00:14:45,120
i knew any anything about this

363
00:14:47,990 --> 00:14:47,199
i i would have taken her at face value

364
00:14:49,670 --> 00:14:48,000
now

365
00:14:50,710 --> 00:14:49,680
um i wouldn't

366
00:14:53,110 --> 00:14:50,720
because

367
00:14:54,069 --> 00:14:53,120
i realized it seems like it's some sort

368
00:14:56,829 --> 00:14:54,079
of

369
00:14:59,590 --> 00:14:56,839
manipulation

370
00:15:01,110 --> 00:14:59,600
okay um

371
00:15:02,150 --> 00:15:01,120
so um

372
00:15:04,310 --> 00:15:02,160
what are the

373
00:15:06,470 --> 00:15:04,320
what what uh what things do you remember

374
00:15:07,910 --> 00:15:06,480
as far as when when you are abducted do

375
00:15:09,269 --> 00:15:07,920
you actually remember

376
00:15:11,269 --> 00:15:09,279
any of the procedures that they

377
00:15:12,629 --> 00:15:11,279
conducted other than what you saw in the

378
00:15:15,509 --> 00:15:12,639
body

379
00:15:17,910 --> 00:15:15,519
uh yes um i regularly have things happen

380
00:15:20,870 --> 00:15:17,920
to my right eye and if you see in my

381
00:15:22,790 --> 00:15:20,880
photo or you know me here my right eye

382
00:15:25,430 --> 00:15:22,800
my my right eyelid

383
00:15:27,590 --> 00:15:25,440
is swollen most of the time i've had

384
00:15:30,150 --> 00:15:27,600
multiple eye surgeries

385
00:15:32,550 --> 00:15:30,160
um so i see that when i'm in my

386
00:15:35,189 --> 00:15:32,560
abductions

387
00:15:37,509 --> 00:15:35,199
yeah i'm on a bed of some type

388
00:15:39,910 --> 00:15:37,519
something somebody is taking my eyes out

389
00:15:42,550 --> 00:15:39,920
and they're squeezing them i can feel it

390
00:15:44,310 --> 00:15:42,560
um you know that kind of thing

391
00:15:46,870 --> 00:15:44,320
yeah i i know you wrote in the book

392
00:15:48,710 --> 00:15:46,880
about being able to see a needle going

393
00:15:51,269 --> 00:15:48,720
to your eye or

394
00:15:53,030 --> 00:15:51,279
noticing that or feeling that

395
00:15:54,949 --> 00:15:53,040
and you did mention about your eye being

396
00:15:57,670 --> 00:15:54,959
removed that's

397
00:15:59,829 --> 00:15:57,680
that's pretty bizarre um yeah

398
00:16:01,590 --> 00:15:59,839
i don't necessarily know if i have ever

399
00:16:04,550 --> 00:16:01,600
heard of anybody having their eyes

400
00:16:07,110 --> 00:16:04,560
removed but i've heard of their eyes

401
00:16:09,350 --> 00:16:07,120
having uh having needles put into them

402
00:16:11,269 --> 00:16:09,360
all right well i actually have an eye

403
00:16:14,470 --> 00:16:11,279
implant and

404
00:16:16,150 --> 00:16:14,480
so uh in 2015 i had eye surgery because

405
00:16:20,069 --> 00:16:16,160
i had something called a victorectomy

406
00:16:21,350 --> 00:16:20,079
where the the lining of your eye i guess

407
00:16:23,269 --> 00:16:21,360
it falls down

408
00:16:25,749 --> 00:16:23,279
and so i had all of that all of those

409
00:16:28,310 --> 00:16:25,759
floaters taken out and

410
00:16:31,110 --> 00:16:28,320
but a month late everything was fine and

411
00:16:31,829 --> 00:16:31,120
then a month later i suddenly have

412
00:16:35,509 --> 00:16:31,839
uh

413
00:16:37,829 --> 00:16:35,519
glaucoma which is damaged optic nerve

414
00:16:39,910 --> 00:16:37,839
and my pupil that worked fine a month

415
00:16:43,509 --> 00:16:39,920
ago now doesn't work

416
00:16:45,350 --> 00:16:43,519
it doesn't constrict um so

417
00:16:47,590 --> 00:16:45,360
it seems to me that that was an

418
00:16:49,749 --> 00:16:47,600
opportunity for them that once since i

419
00:16:54,310 --> 00:16:49,759
already had my

420
00:16:57,110 --> 00:16:55,829
do you think they have done that in the

421
00:16:58,550 --> 00:16:57,120
past

422
00:17:00,790 --> 00:16:58,560
on several occasions actually

423
00:17:02,710 --> 00:17:00,800
manipulated you physically

424
00:17:04,789 --> 00:17:02,720
yeah i do

425
00:17:07,829 --> 00:17:04,799
can you talk about that

426
00:17:09,510 --> 00:17:07,839
um you mean as far as my body or my mind

427
00:17:11,669 --> 00:17:09,520
no you're well either

428
00:17:13,189 --> 00:17:11,679
well i do believe they manipulate my

429
00:17:15,590 --> 00:17:13,199
mind um

430
00:17:16,789 --> 00:17:15,600
i think that they you know when they

431
00:17:18,949 --> 00:17:16,799
want to

432
00:17:20,150 --> 00:17:18,959
when they want you to do something

433
00:17:22,390 --> 00:17:20,160
they make it

434
00:17:23,750 --> 00:17:22,400
you know you feel like you need to do it

435
00:17:26,789 --> 00:17:23,760
or you have to

436
00:17:31,350 --> 00:17:29,750
and then i believe

437
00:17:32,950 --> 00:17:31,360
i don't know how they get me out of bed

438
00:17:34,789 --> 00:17:32,960
but i believe they use a tone of

439
00:17:38,390 --> 00:17:34,799
sometimes you know

440
00:17:40,310 --> 00:17:38,400
and then i hear it i'm asleep but i hear

441
00:17:44,150 --> 00:17:40,320
this tone i know what it is

442
00:17:45,669 --> 00:17:44,160
and i get up and i leave with them so

443
00:17:48,789 --> 00:17:45,679
so in other words you think they use

444
00:17:53,190 --> 00:17:48,799
some type of vibration or tone to either

445
00:17:55,270 --> 00:17:53,200
either levitate you or or allow you to

446
00:17:57,830 --> 00:17:55,280
follow what they're they're instructing

447
00:17:59,430 --> 00:17:57,840
you to do right yeah that's right

448
00:18:01,029 --> 00:17:59,440
interesting

449
00:18:02,789 --> 00:18:01,039
yeah i've heard that from abductees as

450
00:18:04,470 --> 00:18:02,799
well um okay

451
00:18:07,029 --> 00:18:04,480
yeah no you're not the only one a lot of

452
00:18:09,590 --> 00:18:07,039
what you're telling me i've heard before

453
00:18:11,270 --> 00:18:09,600
okay um here's here's a question from

454
00:18:12,870 --> 00:18:11,280
vincent and i was about the asses

455
00:18:15,350 --> 00:18:12,880
actually because i've experienced with

456
00:18:16,870 --> 00:18:15,360
others do you hear a buzzing like bees

457
00:18:19,190 --> 00:18:16,880
at some point

458
00:18:21,750 --> 00:18:19,200
i do uh if i listen to certain music

459
00:18:24,470 --> 00:18:21,760
like pink noise i would oh we'll hear

460
00:18:26,950 --> 00:18:24,480
that most of the time i will hear a

461
00:18:30,230 --> 00:18:26,960
clicking on my right ear only

462
00:18:31,830 --> 00:18:30,240
um yes and i will and i've tried to

463
00:18:33,190 --> 00:18:31,840
figure out what that is i haven't been

464
00:18:34,789 --> 00:18:33,200
successful yet

465
00:18:37,350 --> 00:18:34,799
um because you know it could be anything

466
00:18:39,270 --> 00:18:37,360
but um i also hear tones in my ears

467
00:18:42,549 --> 00:18:39,280
and it used to be only when planes went

468
00:18:45,590 --> 00:18:42,559
over but now it's just randomly

469
00:18:48,310 --> 00:18:45,600
do you think it's it's some means of con

470
00:18:50,630 --> 00:18:48,320
contacting or connecting with you

471
00:18:52,549 --> 00:18:50,640
with the clicking sounds

472
00:18:56,390 --> 00:18:52,559
i don't know i've been of the impression

473
00:18:58,470 --> 00:18:56,400
that it's to judge where to room i'm in

474
00:19:01,350 --> 00:18:58,480
so there's actually like a location

475
00:19:03,430 --> 00:19:01,360
thing something like that yeah

476
00:19:05,990 --> 00:19:03,440
and so it's a way for them to keep track

477
00:19:07,830 --> 00:19:06,000
of me in my house or wherever i am you

478
00:19:11,669 --> 00:19:07,840
know wherever i happen to be but the

479
00:19:14,549 --> 00:19:11,679
tones they seem to be some sort of brain

480
00:19:16,549 --> 00:19:14,559
um connection to me

481
00:19:19,029 --> 00:19:16,559
um not that they're trying to connect to

482
00:19:21,029 --> 00:19:19,039
me personally but to my brain

483
00:19:22,710 --> 00:19:21,039
like if there's an implant in my brain

484
00:19:25,190 --> 00:19:22,720
and they're connecting to it kind of

485
00:19:27,590 --> 00:19:25,200
like a modem

486
00:19:33,830 --> 00:19:31,029
uh now you talked about remote viewing

487
00:19:35,190 --> 00:19:33,840
and actually learning how to remote view

488
00:19:37,590 --> 00:19:35,200
and uh

489
00:19:39,590 --> 00:19:37,600
some of the pitfalls of it but how does

490
00:19:40,950 --> 00:19:39,600
how does remote viewing come into all

491
00:19:42,710 --> 00:19:40,960
this um

492
00:19:44,070 --> 00:19:42,720
as far as the abduction or your

493
00:19:46,789 --> 00:19:44,080
experiences

494
00:19:48,870 --> 00:19:46,799
i don't know now i felt like i was

495
00:19:50,710 --> 00:19:48,880
directed to that book i read it i was

496
00:19:53,270 --> 00:19:50,720
interested in doing it

497
00:19:55,590 --> 00:19:53,280
um from my experiences after writing the

498
00:19:57,350 --> 00:19:55,600
book it seems that a lot of people who

499
00:19:59,990 --> 00:19:57,360
remove you

500
00:20:02,310 --> 00:20:00,000
seem to have or who are who feel a whole

501
00:20:04,950 --> 00:20:02,320
to remote view then start having a lot

502
00:20:07,430 --> 00:20:04,960
of strange things happening to them yeah

503
00:20:12,230 --> 00:20:07,440
it can't happen

504
00:20:14,710 --> 00:20:12,240
would happen

505
00:20:17,190 --> 00:20:14,720
well you know my idea about removing is

506
00:20:19,430 --> 00:20:17,200
i think anybody can remove you

507
00:20:21,350 --> 00:20:19,440
um just like being a psychic i think

508
00:20:23,590 --> 00:20:21,360
some everybody has some type of psychic

509
00:20:25,590 --> 00:20:23,600
ability to some point or intuitive

510
00:20:28,149 --> 00:20:25,600
ability now

511
00:20:30,789 --> 00:20:28,159
as far as uh learning remote viewing and

512
00:20:32,470 --> 00:20:30,799
actually using the right protocol in

513
00:20:34,789 --> 00:20:32,480
remote viewing

514
00:20:36,149 --> 00:20:34,799
and like i told you before i mean

515
00:20:37,909 --> 00:20:36,159
there always seems to be a psychic

516
00:20:39,190 --> 00:20:37,919
aspect that comes into it at some point

517
00:20:41,510 --> 00:20:39,200
if you are

518
00:20:43,669 --> 00:20:41,520
you do have abilities but um

519
00:20:46,149 --> 00:20:43,679
yeah i and i i use it for a lot of my

520
00:20:50,149 --> 00:20:46,159
investigations and i know others that do

521
00:20:52,789 --> 00:20:50,159
as well i was just curious as to

522
00:20:54,390 --> 00:20:52,799
what you know what it curtailed in you

523
00:20:56,950 --> 00:20:54,400
know in your

524
00:20:59,590 --> 00:20:56,960
experiences and what you you've used it

525
00:21:00,870 --> 00:20:59,600
to help you or to determine what has

526
00:21:03,510 --> 00:21:00,880
happened to you

527
00:21:05,110 --> 00:21:03,520
well one of the things is that i did try

528
00:21:07,590 --> 00:21:05,120
to do the remote viewing had some

529
00:21:09,430 --> 00:21:07,600
unusual experiences i did initially

530
00:21:11,590 --> 00:21:09,440
think it really opened up my mind to

531
00:21:14,830 --> 00:21:11,600
possibilities that's what i thought i

532
00:21:17,750 --> 00:21:14,840
would use it for in the end i was using

533
00:21:20,070 --> 00:21:17,760
basically a what i call the remote view

534
00:21:22,310 --> 00:21:20,080
which was actually a exercise that

535
00:21:23,750 --> 00:21:22,320
stuart swirlo has in his book and it's

536
00:21:25,750 --> 00:21:23,760
in my book too

537
00:21:27,750 --> 00:21:25,760
called the green spiral staircase now

538
00:21:29,350 --> 00:21:27,760
interestingly i didn't have never had a

539
00:21:31,350 --> 00:21:29,360
hypnotic regression

540
00:21:33,750 --> 00:21:31,360
but the

541
00:21:36,950 --> 00:21:33,760
the green spiral staircase uses a

542
00:21:38,470 --> 00:21:36,960
staircase and so does hypnotic reject

543
00:21:40,870 --> 00:21:38,480
regression

544
00:21:44,230 --> 00:21:40,880
so i think from my point of view when i

545
00:21:46,230 --> 00:21:44,240
found a tool to look at

546
00:21:48,310 --> 00:21:46,240
what was happening to me and try to look

547
00:21:50,870 --> 00:21:48,320
behind the

548
00:21:53,110 --> 00:21:50,880
memory that was taken out

549
00:21:55,270 --> 00:21:53,120
i was using the green spiral staircase

550
00:21:57,510 --> 00:21:55,280
to look at my subconscious mind and i

551
00:21:59,750 --> 00:21:57,520
called it remote viewing of my own mind

552
00:22:02,549 --> 00:21:59,760
now whether it is or not i don't know

553
00:22:03,669 --> 00:22:02,559
but it felt like i was seeing a movie of

554
00:22:06,789 --> 00:22:03,679
myself

555
00:22:09,430 --> 00:22:06,799
and i was able to see

556
00:22:12,470 --> 00:22:09,440
what was behind the screen memory and so

557
00:22:15,110 --> 00:22:12,480
that was what that was about so it's

558
00:22:16,470 --> 00:22:15,120
never it's it's never in the future it's

559
00:22:19,430 --> 00:22:16,480
always from

560
00:22:21,669 --> 00:22:19,440
the past correct okay it's probably

561
00:22:22,470 --> 00:22:21,679
removed building a problem

562
00:22:28,230 --> 00:22:22,480
yeah

563
00:22:30,549 --> 00:22:28,240
you ever seen craft any type of not ufo

564
00:22:31,270 --> 00:22:30,559
of a craft or anything that was unusual

565
00:22:33,830 --> 00:22:31,280
that

566
00:22:36,310 --> 00:22:33,840
was flying and and what did it look like

567
00:22:38,870 --> 00:22:36,320
i didn't know i have never seen a craft

568
00:22:41,909 --> 00:22:38,880
ever and that's what i find so weird

569
00:22:44,470 --> 00:22:41,919
that's so i've seen inside of buildings

570
00:22:46,549 --> 00:22:44,480
and hospitals and uh

571
00:22:48,710 --> 00:22:46,559
you know i've also with my hypnotic

572
00:22:50,070 --> 00:22:48,720
aggression that i did i was in

573
00:22:51,590 --> 00:22:50,080
i don't know if it was a shift but it

574
00:22:54,310 --> 00:22:51,600
was some room where there were only

575
00:22:56,470 --> 00:22:54,320
women and everybody was crying and you

576
00:22:57,909 --> 00:22:56,480
know so all the women were kept together

577
00:22:59,510 --> 00:22:57,919
and apparently all the men were kept

578
00:23:00,950 --> 00:22:59,520
together and

579
00:23:02,630 --> 00:23:00,960
so uh

580
00:23:05,350 --> 00:23:02,640
one of my regressions that showed me

581
00:23:08,149 --> 00:23:05,360
having something placed into my body

582
00:23:10,149 --> 00:23:08,159
um and you know stuff like that so i

583
00:23:13,669 --> 00:23:10,159
have never seen a crash i wish i would

584
00:23:16,789 --> 00:23:13,679
but i haven't i have just seen inside

585
00:23:19,590 --> 00:23:16,799
the hospital well i i you know when i

586
00:23:21,909 --> 00:23:19,600
wrote my book um

587
00:23:23,830 --> 00:23:21,919
you know most of the time abductions had

588
00:23:25,669 --> 00:23:23,840
nothing to do with craft

589
00:23:27,270 --> 00:23:25,679
i told you that was about portals and

590
00:23:29,029 --> 00:23:27,280
such and right

591
00:23:31,430 --> 00:23:29,039
i i think

592
00:23:33,590 --> 00:23:31,440
in more recent time that more the

593
00:23:37,270 --> 00:23:33,600
abductions or encounters have been

594
00:23:38,310 --> 00:23:37,280
either manifestations or uh

595
00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:38,320
in

596
00:23:42,870 --> 00:23:40,080
an abduction would be some type of

597
00:23:44,950 --> 00:23:42,880
ethereal experience or

598
00:23:47,029 --> 00:23:44,960
even like a bilocation you know your

599
00:23:49,269 --> 00:23:47,039
body in one place you'd be your ethereal

600
00:23:51,029 --> 00:23:49,279
body would be someplace else and not

601
00:23:53,190 --> 00:23:51,039
necessarily

602
00:23:55,350 --> 00:23:53,200
in a craft because very few people see

603
00:23:58,630 --> 00:23:55,360
craft anymore as far as abductions go so

604
00:24:00,710 --> 00:23:58,640
i don't know if that's some type of all

605
00:24:01,669 --> 00:24:00,720
you know they've evolved somehow or i

606
00:24:03,110 --> 00:24:01,679
don't know

607
00:24:04,789 --> 00:24:03,120
but yeah it's interesting to note that

608
00:24:06,630 --> 00:24:04,799
you've never seen one

609
00:24:08,630 --> 00:24:06,640
yeah um

610
00:24:10,390 --> 00:24:08,640
this they're not just alien beings i

611
00:24:14,149 --> 00:24:10,400
mean the ones you have been encountered

612
00:24:16,390 --> 00:24:14,159
with um especially the the insectoid

613
00:24:19,110 --> 00:24:16,400
did you notice any type of aura around

614
00:24:21,909 --> 00:24:19,120
the beings james asked

615
00:24:24,149 --> 00:24:21,919
uh no i never have i mean

616
00:24:26,390 --> 00:24:24,159
you know when i remember back i was

617
00:24:29,269 --> 00:24:26,400
looking at them i was just like so

618
00:24:31,830 --> 00:24:29,279
fascinated i expected to see a gray

619
00:24:33,190 --> 00:24:31,840
and to have a uh praying mantis in front

620
00:24:35,990 --> 00:24:33,200
of my bed

621
00:24:38,149 --> 00:24:36,000
uh which was pretty tall and you know as

622
00:24:39,990 --> 00:24:38,159
a praying mantis i i didn't i don't

623
00:24:41,669 --> 00:24:40,000
remember seeing anything like that i was

624
00:24:43,110 --> 00:24:41,679
just so shocked that i would see

625
00:24:45,110 --> 00:24:43,120
something like that

626
00:24:47,110 --> 00:24:45,120
that i just was fascinated by the

627
00:24:49,909 --> 00:24:47,120
situation

628
00:24:51,269 --> 00:24:49,919
and what she was trying to get me to do

629
00:24:52,549 --> 00:24:51,279
and so

630
00:24:54,710 --> 00:24:52,559
you know

631
00:24:57,269 --> 00:24:54,720
unfortunately i i don't know i've never

632
00:24:58,710 --> 00:24:57,279
seen anything

633
00:25:00,549 --> 00:24:58,720
yeah um

634
00:25:02,710 --> 00:25:00,559
now you talk about meditation in the

635
00:25:03,830 --> 00:25:02,720
book what exactly do you use to meditate

636
00:25:06,549 --> 00:25:03,840
what

637
00:25:08,470 --> 00:25:06,559
do you use a mantra or you use uh

638
00:25:10,470 --> 00:25:08,480
or you just do a calming type of

639
00:25:12,789 --> 00:25:10,480
meditation to get you into a certain

640
00:25:16,630 --> 00:25:12,799
state or how is that

641
00:25:20,230 --> 00:25:16,640
well um i actually use um meditation

642
00:25:22,710 --> 00:25:20,240
oasis because it's guided i guess i used

643
00:25:24,390 --> 00:25:22,720
but um just because i don't have to try

644
00:25:25,750 --> 00:25:24,400
to create anything

645
00:25:27,510 --> 00:25:25,760
um but one of the things have been

646
00:25:28,390 --> 00:25:27,520
really kind of worrying me and that's

647
00:25:30,789 --> 00:25:28,400
why

648
00:25:32,710 --> 00:25:30,799
i'm not too sure that it wasn't portals

649
00:25:34,230 --> 00:25:32,720
it seems like when you get into that

650
00:25:36,630 --> 00:25:34,240
meditative state

651
00:25:40,470 --> 00:25:36,640
it's sort of like a trance

652
00:25:41,590 --> 00:25:40,480
and so it worries me to be using

653
00:25:44,789 --> 00:25:41,600
um

654
00:25:47,909 --> 00:25:44,799
just regular meditation music because

655
00:25:50,470 --> 00:25:47,919
what trance state and are you in and

656
00:25:53,110 --> 00:25:50,480
who's utilizing it against you

657
00:25:55,590 --> 00:25:53,120
so it you know i i do use some

658
00:25:57,669 --> 00:25:55,600
meditation but some of the music puts me

659
00:25:58,950 --> 00:25:57,679
in a trance state

660
00:26:01,110 --> 00:25:58,960
i don't know

661
00:26:02,789 --> 00:26:01,120
that's good

662
00:26:05,590 --> 00:26:02,799
yeah that can happen i mean

663
00:26:07,590 --> 00:26:05,600
um it's almost like if you get into the

664
00:26:09,029 --> 00:26:07,600
state before you do an astral projection

665
00:26:11,830 --> 00:26:09,039
or um

666
00:26:13,590 --> 00:26:11,840
yeah it may be like that now i don't i

667
00:26:15,510 --> 00:26:13,600
don't recommend people doing it unless

668
00:26:17,029 --> 00:26:15,520
they know what they're doing right

669
00:26:19,269 --> 00:26:17,039
because that can be a little tricky

670
00:26:20,710 --> 00:26:19,279
sometimes but uh i can understand how

671
00:26:22,549 --> 00:26:20,720
that would happen

672
00:26:25,350 --> 00:26:22,559
yeah i mean because i use meditation

673
00:26:27,029 --> 00:26:25,360
myself and i use affirmation before i do

674
00:26:28,870 --> 00:26:27,039
rvs

675
00:26:30,789 --> 00:26:28,880
it'll sometimes take me an hour before i

676
00:26:32,230 --> 00:26:30,799
even get into that state where i can

677
00:26:34,870 --> 00:26:32,240
actually do it

678
00:26:37,430 --> 00:26:34,880
but uh yeah you know i was just

679
00:26:40,149 --> 00:26:37,440
interested in what you used that's all

680
00:26:42,149 --> 00:26:40,159
yeah yeah and you talked about pyramids

681
00:26:44,390 --> 00:26:42,159
and i thought that was interesting

682
00:26:46,390 --> 00:26:44,400
what what how do you use a pyramid i

683
00:26:48,390 --> 00:26:46,400
mean what do you feel it does for you

684
00:26:50,390 --> 00:26:48,400
does it concentrate energy or protect

685
00:26:52,230 --> 00:26:50,400
you or what i think it does i think it

686
00:26:54,549 --> 00:26:52,240
concentrates energy and it makes it kind

687
00:26:57,190 --> 00:26:54,559
of like a funnel to your head

688
00:26:59,750 --> 00:26:57,200
i mean when i'm sitting there and i'm in

689
00:27:02,870 --> 00:26:59,760
the pyramid i mean my head is right

690
00:27:05,430 --> 00:27:02,880
underneath the you know apex i guess or

691
00:27:07,110 --> 00:27:05,440
the point of the of the pyramid

692
00:27:09,029 --> 00:27:07,120
and so i feel like it's sort of like a

693
00:27:10,310 --> 00:27:09,039
funnel

694
00:27:12,630 --> 00:27:10,320
okay

695
00:27:14,310 --> 00:27:12,640
i know i know a lot of people use them

696
00:27:15,190 --> 00:27:14,320
um

697
00:27:17,430 --> 00:27:15,200
either

698
00:27:20,310 --> 00:27:17,440
a metal i think you use a metal one or

699
00:27:22,070 --> 00:27:20,320
sometimes they use an oregon oregon type

700
00:27:23,830 --> 00:27:22,080
of stone

701
00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:23,840
compound or

702
00:27:28,710 --> 00:27:26,880
mineral compound yeah interesting

703
00:27:31,350 --> 00:27:28,720
um

704
00:27:36,950 --> 00:27:31,360
james asked have you ever returned or

705
00:27:41,830 --> 00:27:39,190
no i don't usually have taste but i do

706
00:27:44,389 --> 00:27:41,840
have dreams where i feel like uh i i

707
00:27:48,070 --> 00:27:44,399
wake up with a feeling that my

708
00:27:50,389 --> 00:27:48,080
teeth have fallen out and

709
00:27:53,190 --> 00:27:50,399
and some and i'll have a dream that

710
00:27:55,590 --> 00:27:53,200
shows them quite painting my teeth with

711
00:27:59,430 --> 00:27:55,600
something and it feels real

712
00:28:01,190 --> 00:27:59,440
so um no i haven't

713
00:28:04,070 --> 00:28:01,200
speaking of dreams what kind of uh what

714
00:28:07,190 --> 00:28:04,080
kind of dreams do you experience i mean

715
00:28:09,669 --> 00:28:07,200
uh it is is there a range of them or a

716
00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:09,679
type of dream that indicates that you

717
00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:11,520
may be

718
00:28:16,710 --> 00:28:13,919
being abducted or that one's going to

719
00:28:17,830 --> 00:28:16,720
occur or what do you sense

720
00:28:19,909 --> 00:28:17,840
um

721
00:28:21,909 --> 00:28:19,919
normally when i have dreams that are

722
00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:21,919
stressed dreams i know that i've been

723
00:28:25,909 --> 00:28:23,520
taken for sure because it's very

724
00:28:28,549 --> 00:28:25,919
stressful for me and the discussions i

725
00:28:30,149 --> 00:28:28,559
consider i like the ones

726
00:28:32,310 --> 00:28:30,159
for instance you lost your purse you

727
00:28:33,750 --> 00:28:32,320
lost your wallet you lost your clothes

728
00:28:35,510 --> 00:28:33,760
you're in a class

729
00:28:37,350 --> 00:28:35,520
you didn't realize you thought you

730
00:28:39,510 --> 00:28:37,360
dropped what you forgot and today's the

731
00:28:40,549 --> 00:28:39,520
exam and that kind of thing so anything

732
00:28:42,630 --> 00:28:40,559
like that

733
00:28:45,269 --> 00:28:42,640
that clues me into something terrible

734
00:28:47,909 --> 00:28:45,279
happened my brain is trying to

735
00:28:49,990 --> 00:28:47,919
to tell me that that happened but not

736
00:28:52,149 --> 00:28:50,000
you know can't wants to make it so that

737
00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:52,159
i can deal with it when i get it so

738
00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:54,000
anytime i have those dreams i know i've

739
00:28:58,549 --> 00:28:56,080
been taken i've been tortured

740
00:28:59,830 --> 00:28:58,559
um you know my idea of torture

741
00:29:02,070 --> 00:28:59,840
and um

742
00:29:04,230 --> 00:29:02,080
and i also just have a lot of really

743
00:29:07,590 --> 00:29:04,240
really strange dreams where they're

744
00:29:11,430 --> 00:29:07,600
completely crisp you know like

745
00:29:13,750 --> 00:29:11,440
everything is super clear you know as if

746
00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:13,760
uh i'm like if i was talking to you you

747
00:29:17,350 --> 00:29:15,600
know i could see very clearly and i

748
00:29:18,950 --> 00:29:17,360
could everything is very crisp and my

749
00:29:20,789 --> 00:29:18,960
eyes were super

750
00:29:23,430 --> 00:29:20,799
good and you know i didn't have to have

751
00:29:25,190 --> 00:29:23,440
my glasses on to see far away and

752
00:29:28,230 --> 00:29:25,200
you know so i always think of those

753
00:29:31,110 --> 00:29:28,240
dreams and actually anything that i i'm

754
00:29:33,430 --> 00:29:31,120
not sure of i just look at

755
00:29:34,549 --> 00:29:33,440
because you never know and unfortunately

756
00:29:36,470 --> 00:29:34,559
you have to

757
00:29:38,230 --> 00:29:36,480
continue to try to figure out what the

758
00:29:39,430 --> 00:29:38,240
puzzle is for yourself

759
00:29:41,590 --> 00:29:39,440
you know

760
00:29:42,950 --> 00:29:41,600
so

761
00:29:47,430 --> 00:29:42,960
um

762
00:29:49,029 --> 00:29:47,440
maybe your

763
00:29:51,430 --> 00:29:49,039
toothless or having issues with your

764
00:29:52,870 --> 00:29:51,440
mouth or any time that you your

765
00:29:55,269 --> 00:29:52,880
you know that you've been abducted a

766
00:29:56,710 --> 00:29:55,279
field you've inducted is there any pain

767
00:29:58,389 --> 00:29:56,720
involved

768
00:30:00,389 --> 00:29:58,399
there doesn't seem to be anything

769
00:30:02,470 --> 00:30:00,399
involved i mean those pieces that you

770
00:30:06,389 --> 00:30:02,480
show you showed earlier they're never

771
00:30:08,070 --> 00:30:06,399
hurt so they're not right yeah

772
00:30:10,149 --> 00:30:08,080
the interesting thing too about them is

773
00:30:12,710 --> 00:30:10,159
if i take a picture of them they

774
00:30:15,350 --> 00:30:12,720
disappear right away

775
00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:15,360
but if i don't take a picture they last

776
00:30:22,230 --> 00:30:18,000
for a week or more

777
00:30:24,230 --> 00:30:22,240
that's interesting yeah

778
00:30:25,190 --> 00:30:24,240
i have had people tell me that have had

779
00:30:27,510 --> 00:30:25,200
marks

780
00:30:29,430 --> 00:30:27,520
and that one mark that you did show the

781
00:30:30,070 --> 00:30:29,440
one with the uh the triangle mark with

782
00:30:34,710 --> 00:30:30,080
the

783
00:30:42,789 --> 00:30:34,720
many times

784
00:30:47,590 --> 00:30:45,350
and uh they seem to quit they seem to

785
00:30:51,190 --> 00:30:47,600
leave very quickly

786
00:30:53,510 --> 00:30:51,200
yeah yeah so wow

787
00:30:56,310 --> 00:30:53,520
that's interesting

788
00:31:00,950 --> 00:30:58,470
so uh when you're abducted do you is

789
00:31:03,029 --> 00:31:00,960
there anything other than

790
00:31:05,509 --> 00:31:03,039
is there anything different that happens

791
00:31:07,669 --> 00:31:05,519
on occasion uh something that you

792
00:31:09,269 --> 00:31:07,679
haven't had happen before something very

793
00:31:12,389 --> 00:31:09,279
unusual

794
00:31:14,230 --> 00:31:12,399
um sometimes i'll feel like i'm lightly

795
00:31:17,190 --> 00:31:14,240
laying down on the bed sometimes i feel

796
00:31:19,430 --> 00:31:17,200
like i'm dropped on the bed

797
00:31:21,830 --> 00:31:19,440
sometimes i'll

798
00:31:23,909 --> 00:31:21,840
gotten up you know to go to the bathroom

799
00:31:26,789 --> 00:31:23,919
in the middle of the night and

800
00:31:28,230 --> 00:31:26,799
i'll get up and then find out that if i

801
00:31:29,269 --> 00:31:28,240
look across the room there's something

802
00:31:31,669 --> 00:31:29,279
there

803
00:31:33,990 --> 00:31:31,679
you know and um

804
00:31:35,350 --> 00:31:34,000
so they're just times when i don't

805
00:31:38,710 --> 00:31:35,360
really know what's going to happen at

806
00:31:41,750 --> 00:31:38,720
that time where i i was sitting down and

807
00:31:43,350 --> 00:31:41,760
i was looking across and saw a tall ep

808
00:31:45,430 --> 00:31:43,360
that was kind of bald

809
00:31:46,470 --> 00:31:45,440
and looked like casper the friendly

810
00:31:47,590 --> 00:31:46,480
ghost

811
00:31:49,590 --> 00:31:47,600
um

812
00:31:51,590 --> 00:31:49,600
it was interesting because i thought oh

813
00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:51,600
my gosh here was this opportunity that

814
00:31:54,470 --> 00:31:52,960
completely lost

815
00:31:57,190 --> 00:31:54,480
i could have gotten up and put on my

816
00:31:58,549 --> 00:31:57,200
clothes and then see what happened

817
00:32:00,549 --> 00:31:58,559
but

818
00:32:02,070 --> 00:32:00,559
i looked over i guess that's not how i

819
00:32:05,430 --> 00:32:02,080
act when i was

820
00:32:07,430 --> 00:32:05,440
getting ready to leave it disappeared so

821
00:32:09,990 --> 00:32:07,440
yeah speaking of clothes and i this is

822
00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:10,000
something that others have

823
00:32:13,590 --> 00:32:12,000
mentioned in the past

824
00:32:15,669 --> 00:32:13,600
have you ever noticed that your clothes

825
00:32:17,909 --> 00:32:15,679
are on backward or on the wrong somehow

826
00:32:21,830 --> 00:32:17,919
have been adjusted or anything

827
00:32:23,590 --> 00:32:21,840
no i haven't um but i will

828
00:32:25,830 --> 00:32:23,600
i will just find out that they just

829
00:32:28,710 --> 00:32:25,840
smell really really bad i mean like

830
00:32:31,029 --> 00:32:28,720
almost like um

831
00:32:33,269 --> 00:32:31,039
bio and feet is how i describe it in the

832
00:32:35,190 --> 00:32:33,279
book but lately it changed a little

833
00:32:39,269 --> 00:32:35,200
sometimes it kind of has a moldy smell

834
00:32:42,310 --> 00:32:39,279
and sometimes it's sort of like a

835
00:32:43,669 --> 00:32:42,320
like cafe underground cafe smell i don't

836
00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:43,679
know what that is but you know it just

837
00:32:48,789 --> 00:32:45,840
has this really bizarre

838
00:32:52,630 --> 00:32:48,799
smell and you know it didn't have that

839
00:32:58,630 --> 00:32:55,110
i will let you in on something there is

840
00:33:00,470 --> 00:32:58,640
one odor that i have experienced many

841
00:33:02,950 --> 00:33:00,480
times

842
00:33:05,669 --> 00:33:02,960
during abductions and during rvs and i

843
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:05,679
don't know if it's distinctly for me

844
00:33:09,430 --> 00:33:08,130
but i get a smell of cinnamon

845
00:33:12,470 --> 00:33:09,440
[Music]

846
00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:12,480
and uh i have never had that rv ears

847
00:33:17,110 --> 00:33:14,240
tell me that they smell that's have that

848
00:33:19,269 --> 00:33:17,120
cinnamon smell but i do know when i had

849
00:33:22,389 --> 00:33:19,279
my abduction counter

850
00:33:26,230 --> 00:33:22,399
uh or event that that cinnamon smell was

851
00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:26,240
pretty powerful so uh i don't know

852
00:33:29,590 --> 00:33:28,320
maybe there's something to that you know

853
00:33:31,350 --> 00:33:29,600
that's why i don't think you know when

854
00:33:33,190 --> 00:33:31,360
people say that they have they they know

855
00:33:35,269 --> 00:33:33,200
those different odors when they get when

856
00:33:38,789 --> 00:33:35,279
they come back for an abduction that

857
00:33:42,710 --> 00:33:38,799
doesn't surprise me because um honestly

858
00:33:47,430 --> 00:33:45,110
yeah i bet i bet i mean i'm glad i wrote

859
00:33:49,190 --> 00:33:47,440
that down because i now since then i've

860
00:33:52,389 --> 00:33:49,200
read a lot of other books

861
00:33:54,870 --> 00:33:52,399
and before that i had not read anything

862
00:33:57,190 --> 00:33:54,880
except for communion or a couple of

863
00:33:59,590 --> 00:33:57,200
things and to find out that i actually

864
00:34:00,789 --> 00:33:59,600
am in this group um which i was kind of

865
00:34:02,470 --> 00:34:00,799
skeptical

866
00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:02,480
i mean i just wanted to help people with

867
00:34:06,549 --> 00:34:04,720
the way to fight back against the mind

868
00:34:08,869 --> 00:34:06,559
control and hypnosis

869
00:34:11,669 --> 00:34:08,879
but um

870
00:34:13,909 --> 00:34:11,679
but to find out that i actually am an

871
00:34:16,230 --> 00:34:13,919
abductee and it really is real and i

872
00:34:17,990 --> 00:34:16,240
think a lot of about these will think i

873
00:34:19,829 --> 00:34:18,000
know i must have dreamed this this has

874
00:34:22,550 --> 00:34:19,839
to be a dream it can't be real cause

875
00:34:26,389 --> 00:34:22,560
it's so surreal but yeah

876
00:34:29,829 --> 00:34:26,399
yeah you're you're an abductee suck

877
00:34:31,669 --> 00:34:29,839
have um has anybody in your family

878
00:34:34,550 --> 00:34:31,679
experienced anything as well i think you

879
00:34:37,510 --> 00:34:34,560
mentioned one point your husband did um

880
00:34:39,510 --> 00:34:37,520
my husband just had some he never he

881
00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:39,520
falls asleep right away he never wakes

882
00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:40,320
up

883
00:34:44,310 --> 00:34:42,960
he come it's like he's been knocked out

884
00:34:45,909 --> 00:34:44,320
um

885
00:34:47,909 --> 00:34:45,919
he had

886
00:34:49,669 --> 00:34:47,919
i used to go out dancing i used to do

887
00:34:50,550 --> 00:34:49,679
country dancing and i come home late at

888
00:34:55,109 --> 00:34:50,560
night

889
00:34:56,629 --> 00:34:55,119
on the tip of his cuticle on the way

890
00:34:57,829 --> 00:34:56,639
like his index finger he had some

891
00:34:59,349 --> 00:34:57,839
lipstick

892
00:35:00,870 --> 00:34:59,359
now i can't even

893
00:35:03,670 --> 00:35:00,880
we have a king-sized bed he's not even

894
00:35:04,950 --> 00:35:03,680
close to me and there's no way he could

895
00:35:08,550 --> 00:35:04,960
have

896
00:35:10,950 --> 00:35:08,560
accidentally gotten that lipstick on him

897
00:35:11,910 --> 00:35:10,960
um and so i surmised that maybe it was

898
00:35:13,670 --> 00:35:11,920
because

899
00:35:14,790 --> 00:35:13,680
we had gone together and we wanted to

900
00:35:19,109 --> 00:35:14,800
remember it

901
00:35:23,109 --> 00:35:21,190
you know um

902
00:35:25,510 --> 00:35:23,119
i i haven't i have

903
00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:25,520
been told by others abductees

904
00:35:31,109 --> 00:35:28,560
that uh usually when somebody say

905
00:35:32,870 --> 00:35:31,119
somebody's in bed uh and they've got a

906
00:35:34,790 --> 00:35:32,880
partner there

907
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:34,800
even even animals that are sleeping on

908
00:35:38,710 --> 00:35:36,480
the bed it seems like when the abduction

909
00:35:41,109 --> 00:35:38,720
occurs or when the event occurs they are

910
00:35:42,950 --> 00:35:41,119
totally knocked out don't move a muscle

911
00:35:46,150 --> 00:35:42,960
like nothing's going on it doesn't

912
00:35:48,950 --> 00:35:46,160
bother them right even when the abductee

913
00:35:50,310 --> 00:35:48,960
tries to wake them it's just impossible

914
00:35:56,790 --> 00:35:50,320
yeah

915
00:35:59,270 --> 00:35:56,800
the very beginning when i first started

916
00:36:00,870 --> 00:35:59,280
doing shows people would ask me wow

917
00:36:03,670 --> 00:36:00,880
doesn't your husband wake up and i would

918
00:36:06,069 --> 00:36:03,680
say no i mean he doesn't wake up i

919
00:36:08,230 --> 00:36:06,079
didn't know why but now you know over

920
00:36:09,589 --> 00:36:08,240
time i realized yeah that's the reason

921
00:36:10,829 --> 00:36:09,599
it's because they've knocked him out

922
00:36:13,589 --> 00:36:10,839
first and then

923
00:36:15,710 --> 00:36:13,599
yeah yeah

924
00:36:17,510 --> 00:36:15,720
i've heard that that's probably one

925
00:36:19,829 --> 00:36:17,520
consistency

926
00:36:21,270 --> 00:36:19,839
uh with abductions is when you know

927
00:36:23,990 --> 00:36:21,280
somebody's there with you they're

928
00:36:25,670 --> 00:36:24,000
completely out of it they have no idea

929
00:36:27,990 --> 00:36:25,680
and then of course when you wake up or

930
00:36:31,589 --> 00:36:28,000
they wake up and they're not there

931
00:36:33,510 --> 00:36:31,599
right or you're weak or they wake up and

932
00:36:35,670 --> 00:36:33,520
you you know you're roaming around the

933
00:36:37,670 --> 00:36:35,680
house or something like that

934
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:37,680
then they wonder what's going on but um

935
00:36:42,069 --> 00:36:38,640
yeah

936
00:36:44,630 --> 00:36:42,079
sleepwalking again and i was just like

937
00:36:46,230 --> 00:36:44,640
myself getting up out of bed and having

938
00:36:48,069 --> 00:36:46,240
to do some tasks

939
00:36:51,349 --> 00:36:48,079
uh there are times when i've woken up

940
00:36:54,150 --> 00:36:51,359
and then didn't see my husband there

941
00:36:56,069 --> 00:36:54,160
and um and she must have been gone too i

942
00:36:57,270 --> 00:36:56,079
mean i really do believe he's gone he

943
00:37:00,310 --> 00:36:57,280
was gone too

944
00:37:03,030 --> 00:37:00,320
um yeah like i think i think we are both

945
00:37:05,270 --> 00:37:03,040
abducted it's just that um

946
00:37:07,589 --> 00:37:05,280
he just doesn't realize it he doesn't

947
00:37:09,589 --> 00:37:07,599
realize it not only that but he doesn't

948
00:37:13,109 --> 00:37:09,599
want to realize it

949
00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:13,119
i get it i understand that yeah

950
00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:15,520
i absolutely understand that my other

951
00:37:20,150 --> 00:37:18,240
family members my dad had and quite an

952
00:37:22,630 --> 00:37:20,160
aversion to

953
00:37:24,150 --> 00:37:22,640
science fiction he would not read or

954
00:37:26,310 --> 00:37:24,160
watch any movies that were science

955
00:37:28,150 --> 00:37:26,320
fiction but whether or not he was

956
00:37:29,910 --> 00:37:28,160
abducted he was in the army and it's

957
00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:29,920
possible that he saw some things he

958
00:37:33,670 --> 00:37:31,200
wanted to forget

959
00:37:36,870 --> 00:37:33,680
but he wasn't the type to talk about it

960
00:37:39,190 --> 00:37:36,880
um my sister i stayed with her one time

961
00:37:41,190 --> 00:37:39,200
because he was passing away and we were

962
00:37:44,550 --> 00:37:41,200
going through you know stuff

963
00:37:47,190 --> 00:37:44,560
and i was we were sharing a bed and she

964
00:37:49,030 --> 00:37:47,200
she patted my hands and woke me up

965
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:49,040
saying you don't have to go you don't

966
00:37:51,349 --> 00:37:50,400
have to go

967
00:37:56,950 --> 00:37:51,359
so

968
00:37:58,710 --> 00:37:56,960
she's a she is not ducky as well

969
00:37:59,910 --> 00:37:58,720
and since there are four daughters in

970
00:38:03,510 --> 00:37:59,920
our family

971
00:38:06,310 --> 00:38:03,520
right i think we're all abducted

972
00:38:09,510 --> 00:38:06,320
well it's it's possible i mean i hear so

973
00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:09,520
many times where it's generational

974
00:38:13,670 --> 00:38:11,520
and uh family members members are

975
00:38:15,030 --> 00:38:13,680
involved i told you about david eckhart

976
00:38:17,109 --> 00:38:15,040
and uh

977
00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:17,119
he his wife and these two kids were

978
00:38:21,510 --> 00:38:19,680
being abducted all the time together

979
00:38:23,670 --> 00:38:21,520
so uh and they were they were being

980
00:38:24,790 --> 00:38:23,680
abducted two to three times a week for

981
00:38:28,310 --> 00:38:24,800
years

982
00:38:30,790 --> 00:38:28,320
yeah so yeah but they all knew about it

983
00:38:33,190 --> 00:38:30,800
yeah well that's the [\h__\h] part so i

984
00:38:35,430 --> 00:38:33,200
go somewhere i don't know where i don't

985
00:38:37,270 --> 00:38:35,440
have any memory of it when i was younger

986
00:38:39,589 --> 00:38:37,280
i would have a memory of a black

987
00:38:40,310 --> 00:38:39,599
rectangle that's all my memory consisted

988
00:38:42,310 --> 00:38:40,320
of

989
00:38:43,990 --> 00:38:42,320
so i started trying to look behind that

990
00:38:45,349 --> 00:38:44,000
and see sometimes i couldn't see

991
00:38:46,470 --> 00:38:45,359
anything

992
00:38:48,310 --> 00:38:46,480
um

993
00:38:50,230 --> 00:38:48,320
and so it's just

994
00:38:51,829 --> 00:38:50,240
yeah i don't know why i don't remember

995
00:38:53,990 --> 00:38:51,839
anything i mean

996
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:54,000
and why i have so many screen memories

997
00:38:57,190 --> 00:38:55,920
and i look behind that and it'll show me

998
00:38:59,190 --> 00:38:57,200
being you know

999
00:39:01,030 --> 00:38:59,200
having a surgery of some type and being

1000
00:39:03,910 --> 00:39:01,040
in antarctica or

1001
00:39:06,550 --> 00:39:03,920
underground at the moon you know and

1002
00:39:09,430 --> 00:39:06,560
stuff like that but it doesn't show me

1003
00:39:11,510 --> 00:39:09,440
who took me why

1004
00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:11,520
any of that

1005
00:39:16,390 --> 00:39:13,680
well you know

1006
00:39:17,430 --> 00:39:16,400
that may be one good thing if you have a

1007
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:17,440
uh

1008
00:39:21,910 --> 00:39:19,200
you're being used as a target doing an

1009
00:39:23,430 --> 00:39:21,920
rv that may come out in that

1010
00:39:25,829 --> 00:39:23,440
oh yeah

1011
00:39:28,230 --> 00:39:25,839
so uh you may want to consider it at

1012
00:39:30,870 --> 00:39:28,240
some point i definitely do want to do

1013
00:39:33,589 --> 00:39:30,880
that because um i really do want to find

1014
00:39:36,470 --> 00:39:33,599
out because in my book i you know talk

1015
00:39:39,510 --> 00:39:36,480
about being bombarded by remote viewers

1016
00:39:42,069 --> 00:39:39,520
and i haven't stopped so ever since then

1017
00:39:44,550 --> 00:39:42,079
i've been harassed i found i found that

1018
00:39:47,109 --> 00:39:44,560
interesting uh where you would be in the

1019
00:39:51,030 --> 00:39:47,119
car and you would notice things in the

1020
00:39:52,069 --> 00:39:51,040
car that you instinctively knew was a

1021
00:39:55,030 --> 00:39:52,079
someone

1022
00:39:57,030 --> 00:39:55,040
remote viewing you or your location

1023
00:39:57,990 --> 00:39:57,040
right yeah

1024
00:40:01,750 --> 00:39:58,000
so

1025
00:40:04,230 --> 00:40:01,760
i think i am a target for a bunch of

1026
00:40:06,230 --> 00:40:04,240
groups i don't know who who this is that

1027
00:40:07,750 --> 00:40:06,240
is targeting me but i think it was

1028
00:40:10,230 --> 00:40:07,760
because and i didn't realize this when i

1029
00:40:12,230 --> 00:40:10,240
wrote the book either but i've since

1030
00:40:15,670 --> 00:40:12,240
realized by trying to do more remote

1031
00:40:17,190 --> 00:40:15,680
viewing is that i in the book i describe

1032
00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:17,200
an experience i had and it was a

1033
00:40:20,870 --> 00:40:19,760
bi-location but i didn't know that at

1034
00:40:21,670 --> 00:40:20,880
the time

1035
00:40:25,030 --> 00:40:21,680
so

1036
00:40:27,750 --> 00:40:25,040
i didn't know why i was being targeted

1037
00:40:31,270 --> 00:40:27,760
but i must have bi-located in that room

1038
00:40:34,230 --> 00:40:31,280
and when i did someone saw me and then

1039
00:40:36,710 --> 00:40:34,240
that started a whole

1040
00:40:41,990 --> 00:40:39,190
yeah that's what i think but

1041
00:40:44,309 --> 00:40:42,000
you know i had no idea if they had not

1042
00:40:48,069 --> 00:40:44,319
come after me i wouldn't be none the

1043
00:40:49,750 --> 00:40:48,079
wiser now that they've come after me i'm

1044
00:40:51,990 --> 00:40:49,760
digging trying to find out what's going

1045
00:40:54,630 --> 00:40:52,000
on so

1046
00:40:56,150 --> 00:40:54,640
i don't understand their thought process

1047
00:40:58,790 --> 00:40:56,160
they could have let it go

1048
00:41:00,470 --> 00:40:58,800
yeah i mean i

1049
00:41:02,870 --> 00:41:00,480
i'll be honest with you i you know when

1050
00:41:04,950 --> 00:41:02,880
i work with remove viewing i don't

1051
00:41:07,750 --> 00:41:04,960
go into a location unless the person

1052
00:41:09,430 --> 00:41:07,760
knows i'm doing it yeah and uh i just

1053
00:41:11,270 --> 00:41:09,440
kind of find that a little unethical but

1054
00:41:15,030 --> 00:41:11,280
i'm quite sure people have done in the

1055
00:41:15,910 --> 00:41:15,040
past absolutely yeah

1056
00:41:18,150 --> 00:41:15,920
go ahead

1057
00:41:19,589 --> 00:41:18,160
oh these remote viewers a lot of times

1058
00:41:20,630 --> 00:41:19,599
they pick up my stuff and they move it

1059
00:41:23,430 --> 00:41:20,640
around

1060
00:41:25,829 --> 00:41:23,440
they damage my property um

1061
00:41:28,710 --> 00:41:25,839
they uh lord their

1062
00:41:30,950 --> 00:41:28,720
visibility over my cat you know they you

1063
00:41:33,030 --> 00:41:30,960
know they just they just like really

1064
00:41:37,430 --> 00:41:33,040
uh they put stuff in my car they've

1065
00:41:40,150 --> 00:41:37,440
damaged my car um and stuff like that so

1066
00:41:43,030 --> 00:41:40,160
i i don't understand

1067
00:41:45,589 --> 00:41:43,040
why a there are people like that or

1068
00:41:47,829 --> 00:41:45,599
entities willing to do that or is it

1069
00:41:51,190 --> 00:41:47,839
just mischievous

1070
00:41:54,710 --> 00:41:52,710
um

1071
00:41:56,630 --> 00:41:54,720
yeah vince today has to

1072
00:42:00,870 --> 00:41:56,640
have these beings ever given you any

1073
00:42:03,910 --> 00:42:00,880
indication as to why they're taking you

1074
00:42:06,150 --> 00:42:03,920
um no but from my plus getting the

1075
00:42:07,670 --> 00:42:06,160
puzzle pieces together it seems like

1076
00:42:10,309 --> 00:42:07,680
nobody tells you nobody tells you

1077
00:42:11,190 --> 00:42:10,319
anything vincent

1078
00:42:13,750 --> 00:42:11,200
but

1079
00:42:14,790 --> 00:42:13,760
they um they just seem to

1080
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:14,800
be

1081
00:42:19,030 --> 00:42:16,560
some sort of

1082
00:42:20,790 --> 00:42:19,040
experiment that's what it seems like

1083
00:42:23,190 --> 00:42:20,800
um you know

1084
00:42:25,030 --> 00:42:23,200
so for instance when i was in my 30s i

1085
00:42:28,150 --> 00:42:25,040
actually

1086
00:42:30,309 --> 00:42:28,160
found out i think in my 20s that i had

1087
00:42:31,990 --> 00:42:30,319
cataracts and they call them congenital

1088
00:42:34,790 --> 00:42:32,000
but the interesting thing is that when i

1089
00:42:37,829 --> 00:42:34,800
was i've had glasses since i was eight

1090
00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:37,839
nobody ever saw that until i hit my 30s

1091
00:42:43,190 --> 00:42:41,040
so in my 30s i had cataracts so badly

1092
00:42:45,670 --> 00:42:43,200
that they had to give me to give me

1093
00:42:48,150 --> 00:42:45,680
cataract surgery when i was 32.

1094
00:42:49,430 --> 00:42:48,160
and so i think that was some sort of

1095
00:42:52,069 --> 00:42:49,440
experiment

1096
00:42:54,069 --> 00:42:52,079
um other objectives i've talked to uh

1097
00:42:56,470 --> 00:42:54,079
we've all have been given diabetes

1098
00:42:58,870 --> 00:42:56,480
pre-diabetes in our 30s

1099
00:43:01,190 --> 00:42:58,880
that's another thing so why were we all

1100
00:43:03,190 --> 00:43:01,200
given pre-diabetes

1101
00:43:06,069 --> 00:43:03,200
um so i've been fighting that my whole

1102
00:43:08,150 --> 00:43:06,079
life i didn't want diabetes and

1103
00:43:11,030 --> 00:43:08,160
so why would i get it why would everyone

1104
00:43:14,069 --> 00:43:11,040
get diabetes in their 30s

1105
00:43:16,790 --> 00:43:14,079
um so you know i feel like they're

1106
00:43:18,950 --> 00:43:16,800
either experimenting on us all or giving

1107
00:43:20,950 --> 00:43:18,960
us a certain

1108
00:43:23,109 --> 00:43:20,960
affliction i don't know

1109
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:23,119
yeah with all the instances i've heard

1110
00:43:27,589 --> 00:43:25,200
of over the years i i think there is an

1111
00:43:30,309 --> 00:43:27,599
agenda though i'm not quite sure what

1112
00:43:32,790 --> 00:43:30,319
the agenda is uh they seem to jump

1113
00:43:34,390 --> 00:43:32,800
around a lot because you hear about a

1114
00:43:36,390 --> 00:43:34,400
lot of different types of

1115
00:43:38,630 --> 00:43:36,400
abductions or encounters

1116
00:43:42,390 --> 00:43:38,640
and uh it's really hard to pinpoint

1117
00:43:43,430 --> 00:43:42,400
exactly why they're doing what they do

1118
00:43:45,430 --> 00:43:43,440
you know i guess that's what we're

1119
00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:45,440
trying to find out at some point

1120
00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:48,480
yeah i really do want to find that out

1121
00:43:53,750 --> 00:43:50,560
actually i went to a woman named

1122
00:43:56,390 --> 00:43:53,760
kimberly mcgeorge and she said that

1123
00:43:57,349 --> 00:43:56,400
i was a military abductee and that i was

1124
00:43:58,950 --> 00:43:57,359
also

1125
00:44:00,390 --> 00:43:58,960
cloned

1126
00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:00,400
so

1127
00:44:08,870 --> 00:44:06,000
if that's part of it um i read above

1128
00:44:10,790 --> 00:44:08,880
glass by dan sherman and it was really

1129
00:44:13,109 --> 00:44:10,800
interesting that he was saying that some

1130
00:44:16,069 --> 00:44:13,119
people were put into certain groups

1131
00:44:17,750 --> 00:44:16,079
for different projects

1132
00:44:19,430 --> 00:44:17,760
and that was fascinating and that kind

1133
00:44:21,910 --> 00:44:19,440
of filled in some of the lengths for me

1134
00:44:24,630 --> 00:44:21,920
that i could be possibly in a project

1135
00:44:29,349 --> 00:44:24,640
and not know it you know

1136
00:44:33,670 --> 00:44:31,990
uh james wants to know uh the bruises

1137
00:44:35,589 --> 00:44:33,680
that you received did you seem to heal

1138
00:44:38,230 --> 00:44:35,599
faster or slower

1139
00:44:41,430 --> 00:44:38,240
for you other than a regular normal blue

1140
00:44:44,309 --> 00:44:41,440
bruise that you would you know

1141
00:44:46,630 --> 00:44:44,319
yeah they seem to if i take a picture of

1142
00:44:48,950 --> 00:44:46,640
them they feel they go away really fast

1143
00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:48,960
if i don't take a picture they

1144
00:44:53,750 --> 00:44:51,680
are slower um they don't hurt i can

1145
00:44:55,589 --> 00:44:53,760
press on them it doesn't hurt at all

1146
00:44:58,150 --> 00:44:55,599
i've had other um

1147
00:45:00,630 --> 00:44:58,160
you know like scrapes on my arm near a

1148
00:45:02,470 --> 00:45:00,640
vein and that won't hurt um

1149
00:45:03,990 --> 00:45:02,480
it's just strange it seems like there's

1150
00:45:06,150 --> 00:45:04,000
just so many yeah that kind of looks

1151
00:45:08,230 --> 00:45:06,160
like a y if you look at it or i guess it

1152
00:45:10,150 --> 00:45:08,240
could be a triangle but that's why i

1153
00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:10,160
took a picture because it was so strange

1154
00:45:15,109 --> 00:45:12,480
you know

1155
00:45:17,510 --> 00:45:15,119
so uh they only heal faster if i take a

1156
00:45:19,430 --> 00:45:17,520
picture if i don't take a picture then

1157
00:45:24,309 --> 00:45:19,440
it takes a little longer yeah that looks

1158
00:45:27,030 --> 00:45:25,589
so

1159
00:45:29,270 --> 00:45:27,040
you know

1160
00:45:32,630 --> 00:45:29,280
uh and you say you have had regression

1161
00:45:34,230 --> 00:45:32,640
therapy done yes i have

1162
00:45:37,190 --> 00:45:34,240
i have got it done

1163
00:45:40,150 --> 00:45:37,200
did it i mean did the regression

1164
00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:40,160
give you any more clues as opposed to

1165
00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:42,240
seeing a medium or any other

1166
00:45:45,030 --> 00:45:43,680
type of um

1167
00:45:47,990 --> 00:45:45,040
consultation

1168
00:45:49,910 --> 00:45:48,000
yes it did because um

1169
00:45:51,910 --> 00:45:49,920
you know she's taking you down the

1170
00:45:53,510 --> 00:45:51,920
hypnosis road and

1171
00:45:55,589 --> 00:45:53,520
asking you to

1172
00:45:58,230 --> 00:45:55,599
look at very specific things in your

1173
00:46:01,589 --> 00:45:58,240
past that you're interested in knowing

1174
00:46:03,990 --> 00:46:01,599
and um and initially i did not want to

1175
00:46:05,270 --> 00:46:04,000
do it because of the hypnosis um thing

1176
00:46:07,270 --> 00:46:05,280
because that's what i think that they

1177
00:46:09,270 --> 00:46:07,280
use they use mind control and hypnosis

1178
00:46:12,550 --> 00:46:09,280
so i didn't want to agree to it so it

1179
00:46:15,750 --> 00:46:12,560
took me a while to want to do it but um

1180
00:46:17,670 --> 00:46:15,760
what happened was yeah i had a dream

1181
00:46:19,589 --> 00:46:17,680
this is a really strange dream and i

1182
00:46:21,670 --> 00:46:19,599
wanted to investigate it but it was

1183
00:46:23,589 --> 00:46:21,680
where i had all i was in a huge

1184
00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:23,599
warehouse not a warehouse more like a

1185
00:46:27,750 --> 00:46:25,680
hanger i was in a hangar

1186
00:46:30,870 --> 00:46:27,760
and there were all these babies and they

1187
00:46:34,710 --> 00:46:30,880
were all in refrigerators

1188
00:46:36,790 --> 00:46:34,720
and so i wanted to look at that and so i

1189
00:46:38,710 --> 00:46:36,800
and they were all crying

1190
00:46:40,230 --> 00:46:38,720
and so some of them were blue some

1191
00:46:43,109 --> 00:46:40,240
weren't you know

1192
00:46:45,510 --> 00:46:43,119
and so i looked into that and there was

1193
00:46:47,910 --> 00:46:45,520
i was in charge of all these babies and

1194
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:47,920
there wasn't like some sort of railing

1195
00:46:52,230 --> 00:46:49,200
above me

1196
00:46:53,430 --> 00:46:52,240
where there was some guy or pointy-faced

1197
00:46:55,430 --> 00:46:53,440
person

1198
00:46:58,069 --> 00:46:55,440
who was the overseer

1199
00:46:59,030 --> 00:46:58,079
and he was making sure i was doing my

1200
00:47:01,270 --> 00:46:59,040
job

1201
00:47:03,109 --> 00:47:01,280
so it could be some of these things i

1202
00:47:04,790 --> 00:47:03,119
have to do are still heinous i don't

1203
00:47:06,710 --> 00:47:04,800
want to remember

1204
00:47:09,190 --> 00:47:06,720
um so that was one thing i looked at

1205
00:47:11,670 --> 00:47:09,200
because it was such a strange

1206
00:47:13,750 --> 00:47:11,680
strange thing and i've never had a dream

1207
00:47:15,589 --> 00:47:13,760
about a baby before

1208
00:47:17,829 --> 00:47:15,599
do you think when they take you that

1209
00:47:19,109 --> 00:47:17,839
they do have you do certain tasks for

1210
00:47:21,750 --> 00:47:19,119
them

1211
00:47:23,829 --> 00:47:21,760
you know i do think that because um

1212
00:47:25,750 --> 00:47:23,839
there were quite a few

1213
00:47:27,910 --> 00:47:25,760
dreams i had where i was doing remote

1214
00:47:30,309 --> 00:47:27,920
viewing for microsoft and i had i

1215
00:47:32,069 --> 00:47:30,319
couldn't see what i had written down but

1216
00:47:33,670 --> 00:47:32,079
i could see that i had written a whole

1217
00:47:35,990 --> 00:47:33,680
bunch of stuff down

1218
00:47:37,750 --> 00:47:36,000
so it's possible the reason i can't

1219
00:47:39,829 --> 00:47:37,760
remote view here

1220
00:47:42,710 --> 00:47:39,839
is because when they need me they want

1221
00:47:44,069 --> 00:47:42,720
me to use my remote viewing skills for

1222
00:47:46,549 --> 00:47:44,079
them

1223
00:47:50,829 --> 00:47:46,559
so i don't know that's a possibility but

1224
00:47:56,870 --> 00:47:54,230
um so um

1225
00:47:59,990 --> 00:47:56,880
what do you think you know your book uh

1226
00:48:02,950 --> 00:48:00,000
you you try to uh indicate the folks who

1227
00:48:05,349 --> 00:48:02,960
read your book uh on how to help them

1228
00:48:08,150 --> 00:48:05,359
what what would you

1229
00:48:10,150 --> 00:48:08,160
have other abductees do

1230
00:48:12,230 --> 00:48:10,160
to fight back

1231
00:48:16,230 --> 00:48:12,240
one thing i would do is i would write

1232
00:48:20,230 --> 00:48:16,240
everything down and try to um instead of

1233
00:48:21,349 --> 00:48:20,240
waiting in total fear of you know them

1234
00:48:23,510 --> 00:48:21,359
coming

1235
00:48:25,510 --> 00:48:23,520
i would say that i thought

1236
00:48:28,069 --> 00:48:25,520
i felt like anger helped me a lot but

1237
00:48:31,349 --> 00:48:28,079
also flipping the switch and saying

1238
00:48:32,870 --> 00:48:31,359
okay you i'm your your guinea pig guess

1239
00:48:34,630 --> 00:48:32,880
what you're going to be my guinea pig

1240
00:48:36,790 --> 00:48:34,640
now and i'm going to write down

1241
00:48:39,510 --> 00:48:36,800
everything you do to help me figure this

1242
00:48:42,790 --> 00:48:39,520
out and so sort of be a detective of

1243
00:48:45,109 --> 00:48:42,800
your life and start to say this was what

1244
00:48:47,829 --> 00:48:45,119
happened was right before abduction and

1245
00:48:51,109 --> 00:48:47,839
i saw this this and this i saw you know

1246
00:48:53,750 --> 00:48:51,119
a big smoke monster next to my windows

1247
00:48:55,030 --> 00:48:53,760
i saw my uh curtains moving you know

1248
00:48:57,349 --> 00:48:55,040
stuff like that

1249
00:48:59,270 --> 00:48:57,359
so everything that you see so everything

1250
00:49:00,870 --> 00:48:59,280
leading up to abduction everything as

1251
00:49:02,710 --> 00:49:00,880
soon as you get back

1252
00:49:05,190 --> 00:49:02,720
as you remember something and you wake

1253
00:49:07,030 --> 00:49:05,200
up write it down write it all down

1254
00:49:09,750 --> 00:49:07,040
because these are the important clues

1255
00:49:11,910 --> 00:49:09,760
for you you know if you are leaving your

1256
00:49:14,230 --> 00:49:11,920
clothes not funny write that down you

1257
00:49:15,910 --> 00:49:14,240
know and you know in my book i you know

1258
00:49:16,950 --> 00:49:15,920
try to figure out what's important and

1259
00:49:18,870 --> 00:49:16,960
what isn't

1260
00:49:20,309 --> 00:49:18,880
and uh you know but write everything

1261
00:49:21,829 --> 00:49:20,319
down at first because

1262
00:49:23,349 --> 00:49:21,839
there's nothing to lose and if you have

1263
00:49:24,870 --> 00:49:23,359
a theory and

1264
00:49:27,750 --> 00:49:24,880
you're going one way

1265
00:49:30,069 --> 00:49:27,760
and then it switches that's okay

1266
00:49:31,589 --> 00:49:30,079
everybody has their own story their own

1267
00:49:33,829 --> 00:49:31,599
puzzle pieces

1268
00:49:35,829 --> 00:49:33,839
and there's just so much uh there's so

1269
00:49:37,109 --> 00:49:35,839
much information there's so many details

1270
00:49:38,069 --> 00:49:37,119
it's hard to narrow down what's

1271
00:49:39,910 --> 00:49:38,079
important

1272
00:49:42,470 --> 00:49:39,920
but i would definitely

1273
00:49:44,790 --> 00:49:42,480
just try to think about it as sort of

1274
00:49:46,630 --> 00:49:44,800
like a special project where you're

1275
00:49:49,349 --> 00:49:46,640
looking at them too and you're studying

1276
00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:51,430
have uh and you know i think that is

1277
00:49:55,430 --> 00:49:53,280
important about writing things down i

1278
00:49:56,870 --> 00:49:55,440
you know i when i work with a client

1279
00:49:57,670 --> 00:49:56,880
that's the first thing i tell them you

1280
00:50:00,549 --> 00:49:57,680
know

1281
00:50:01,829 --> 00:50:00,559
well from now on i would like for you to

1282
00:50:04,630 --> 00:50:01,839
write down

1283
00:50:06,470 --> 00:50:04,640
everything that happens keep a log of it

1284
00:50:08,630 --> 00:50:06,480
so you don't forget it and you know that

1285
00:50:09,829 --> 00:50:08,640
we can go back to it and use it as a

1286
00:50:10,710 --> 00:50:09,839
reference

1287
00:50:12,630 --> 00:50:10,720
uh

1288
00:50:14,870 --> 00:50:12,640
any little thing i mean you know you

1289
00:50:16,630 --> 00:50:14,880
never know you know it's interesting and

1290
00:50:18,309 --> 00:50:16,640
they've got a question coming up of

1291
00:50:20,150 --> 00:50:18,319
events that are you experiencing

1292
00:50:21,270 --> 00:50:20,160
hauntings or other paranormal activity

1293
00:50:23,589 --> 00:50:21,280
and you know

1294
00:50:26,230 --> 00:50:23,599
that seems to be one aspect of the

1295
00:50:29,270 --> 00:50:26,240
abduction scenario

1296
00:50:30,870 --> 00:50:29,280
with the actual abductee is that they

1297
00:50:32,549 --> 00:50:30,880
start

1298
00:50:34,470 --> 00:50:32,559
having paranormal

1299
00:50:35,430 --> 00:50:34,480
or hauntings and such and to stay at

1300
00:50:37,670 --> 00:50:35,440
their home

1301
00:50:39,910 --> 00:50:37,680
right have you had that as well yes i

1302
00:50:41,430 --> 00:50:39,920
have and actually it's interesting so uh

1303
00:50:43,589 --> 00:50:41,440
you know terry lovelace who wrote

1304
00:50:46,150 --> 00:50:43,599
incidents at devil's den i write in my

1305
00:50:48,549 --> 00:50:46,160
book that i was reading his book and i

1306
00:50:49,670 --> 00:50:48,559
kept seeing ghosts walking around in my

1307
00:50:52,150 --> 00:50:49,680
living room

1308
00:50:54,069 --> 00:50:52,160
and so um

1309
00:50:56,390 --> 00:50:54,079
that's one of the things but yeah now

1310
00:50:58,790 --> 00:50:56,400
after talking to you before the show i

1311
00:51:00,630 --> 00:50:58,800
really do think i have portals opening

1312
00:51:02,390 --> 00:51:00,640
and all kinds of things are coming

1313
00:51:04,950 --> 00:51:02,400
through a lot of times i just see

1314
00:51:07,349 --> 00:51:04,960
eyeballs so it's not the entire person

1315
00:51:09,030 --> 00:51:07,359
or entity it's just an eyeball

1316
00:51:10,549 --> 00:51:09,040
and so um

1317
00:51:12,390 --> 00:51:10,559
you know and i write about that in my

1318
00:51:14,870 --> 00:51:12,400
book i just didn't know what it was at

1319
00:51:16,950 --> 00:51:14,880
the time yeah you know that i would see

1320
00:51:19,510 --> 00:51:16,960
a giant blue eyeball i would see a red

1321
00:51:20,950 --> 00:51:19,520
eyeball or i see a face or i'd see you

1322
00:51:23,910 --> 00:51:20,960
know

1323
00:51:26,150 --> 00:51:23,920
a eyeball in between the webbing of my

1324
00:51:27,270 --> 00:51:26,160
right hand where my thumb and my index

1325
00:51:29,510 --> 00:51:27,280
finger are

1326
00:51:31,910 --> 00:51:29,520
so those could be all the

1327
00:51:33,910 --> 00:51:31,920
paranormal but i just didn't know it

1328
00:51:35,990 --> 00:51:33,920
because there was so much stuff going on

1329
00:51:38,390 --> 00:51:36,000
that it's hard to differentiate if you

1330
00:51:39,349 --> 00:51:38,400
don't have experience in it well i think

1331
00:51:42,470 --> 00:51:39,359
there's a

1332
00:51:43,910 --> 00:51:42,480
in most cases of a fine line between

1333
00:51:45,829 --> 00:51:43,920
the healing experience and the

1334
00:51:48,870 --> 00:51:45,839
paranormal more haunting experience

1335
00:51:50,870 --> 00:51:48,880
spirit or whatever entity other than

1336
00:51:54,630 --> 00:51:50,880
a non-terrestrial i think i think there

1337
00:51:56,630 --> 00:51:54,640
is a fine line there um many times

1338
00:51:58,150 --> 00:51:56,640
[Music]

1339
00:51:59,990 --> 00:51:58,160
even talking you know talking about i

1340
00:52:01,670 --> 00:52:00,000
don't know if you're aware of this but

1341
00:52:04,390 --> 00:52:01,680
people have

1342
00:52:06,549 --> 00:52:04,400
had ufo sightings and bigfoot sightings

1343
00:52:08,710 --> 00:52:06,559
at the same time wow you know there's a

1344
00:52:10,390 --> 00:52:08,720
lot of connection between

1345
00:52:12,630 --> 00:52:10,400
the the paranormal and and the

1346
00:52:14,870 --> 00:52:12,640
supernatural and it seems that a lot of

1347
00:52:16,790 --> 00:52:14,880
these things do kind of crop up

1348
00:52:18,790 --> 00:52:16,800
when things happen so yeah that doesn't

1349
00:52:19,910 --> 00:52:18,800
surprise me that you've had that happen

1350
00:52:20,950 --> 00:52:19,920
to you

1351
00:52:25,829 --> 00:52:20,960
yeah

1352
00:52:27,589 --> 00:52:25,839
title that says this is not ichi this is

1353
00:52:29,510 --> 00:52:27,599
no paranormal

1354
00:52:31,109 --> 00:52:29,520
because you know at first there's so

1355
00:52:33,349 --> 00:52:31,119
many things happening you don't know

1356
00:52:35,030 --> 00:52:33,359
what that is you're writing it down you

1357
00:52:37,349 --> 00:52:35,040
don't know if the ct you don't know if

1358
00:52:39,910 --> 00:52:37,359
it's paranormal you have remote viewers

1359
00:52:41,829 --> 00:52:39,920
showing up in your car harassing you

1360
00:52:43,589 --> 00:52:41,839
you're being scanned and it feels like

1361
00:52:45,750 --> 00:52:43,599
prickles all the way up your body up and

1362
00:52:47,990 --> 00:52:45,760
down you know while you're driving i've

1363
00:52:49,270 --> 00:52:48,000
seen you know aftermath of accidents

1364
00:52:51,990 --> 00:52:49,280
over and over

1365
00:52:53,750 --> 00:52:52,000
um dead people you know on the side and

1366
00:52:55,670 --> 00:52:53,760
so i didn't know if that was part of the

1367
00:52:58,390 --> 00:52:55,680
eq experience or that was my

1368
00:53:00,870 --> 00:52:58,400
sidekickness coming out i don't know

1369
00:53:02,470 --> 00:53:00,880
there's just too many unknowns

1370
00:53:04,790 --> 00:53:02,480
um

1371
00:53:06,390 --> 00:53:04,800
when you have fought back

1372
00:53:09,190 --> 00:53:06,400
or when you have pushed back have they

1373
00:53:11,349 --> 00:53:09,200
pushed back at you as well yeah

1374
00:53:13,109 --> 00:53:11,359
yeah what have they done

1375
00:53:15,750 --> 00:53:13,119
um

1376
00:53:17,430 --> 00:53:15,760
they just make sure that i am scared to

1377
00:53:20,549 --> 00:53:17,440
death

1378
00:53:22,470 --> 00:53:20,559
um and so also i feel like i'm depressed

1379
00:53:25,109 --> 00:53:22,480
sometimes and i know i'm not because i'm

1380
00:53:27,270 --> 00:53:25,119
not a depressed person uh i'm funny i'm

1381
00:53:29,750 --> 00:53:27,280
a funny personality so

1382
00:53:30,790 --> 00:53:29,760
uh yeah i'll just feel this heaviness

1383
00:53:33,270 --> 00:53:30,800
yes

1384
00:53:35,589 --> 00:53:33,280
i also will have um

1385
00:53:37,030 --> 00:53:35,599
i'll i'll only be able to see this when

1386
00:53:39,589 --> 00:53:37,040
i'm driving but

1387
00:53:41,750 --> 00:53:39,599
uh when there's a reflection of a car in

1388
00:53:42,549 --> 00:53:41,760
front of me i'll see poke pokes in my

1389
00:53:44,950 --> 00:53:42,559
eye

1390
00:53:47,430 --> 00:53:44,960
and sometimes you'll be like a triangle

1391
00:53:49,510 --> 00:53:47,440
with extra pokes on each and

1392
00:53:51,670 --> 00:53:49,520
i've seen some that are like a question

1393
00:53:53,589 --> 00:53:51,680
mark i mean i have some in my book that

1394
00:53:56,390 --> 00:53:53,599
talk about it and when i push back on

1395
00:53:58,230 --> 00:53:56,400
them that's what they do to me and then

1396
00:54:00,870 --> 00:53:58,240
they make sure i see it to let me know

1397
00:54:02,630 --> 00:54:00,880
that it happens

1398
00:54:06,870 --> 00:54:02,640
um

1399
00:54:09,510 --> 00:54:06,880
and i have had people i mentioned

1400
00:54:11,670 --> 00:54:09,520
something about

1401
00:54:13,190 --> 00:54:11,680
of them affecting emotions and and

1402
00:54:15,829 --> 00:54:13,200
causing

1403
00:54:17,589 --> 00:54:15,839
uh different types of emotions at a you

1404
00:54:19,190 --> 00:54:17,599
know moment's notice

1405
00:54:21,430 --> 00:54:19,200
right so it seems like that's something

1406
00:54:23,270 --> 00:54:21,440
you've also experienced and i was also

1407
00:54:25,109 --> 00:54:23,280
interested when you talked about

1408
00:54:27,270 --> 00:54:25,119
being abducted while you were driving

1409
00:54:29,589 --> 00:54:27,280
just for a split second and

1410
00:54:31,829 --> 00:54:29,599
coming out of it

1411
00:54:34,309 --> 00:54:31,839
very little lost time but it was you

1412
00:54:36,870 --> 00:54:34,319
could tell something had happened right

1413
00:54:39,510 --> 00:54:36,880
and that's the thing is it sort of like

1414
00:54:40,309 --> 00:54:39,520
it almost felt like my mind just shut

1415
00:54:41,910 --> 00:54:40,319
off

1416
00:54:43,829 --> 00:54:41,920
but you know

1417
00:54:47,030 --> 00:54:43,839
you know i can't even describe it but i

1418
00:54:48,230 --> 00:54:47,040
was driving i was there next minute i

1419
00:54:50,549 --> 00:54:48,240
come back

1420
00:54:51,349 --> 00:54:50,559
or i'm made aware that i'm there i don't

1421
00:54:52,950 --> 00:54:51,359
know

1422
00:54:55,109 --> 00:54:52,960
yeah it felt like they actually was

1423
00:54:57,190 --> 00:54:55,119
removed while i was driving and so

1424
00:54:59,990 --> 00:54:57,200
uh the story is i was merging onto the

1425
00:55:01,750 --> 00:55:00,000
freeway i drive a stick shift and i was

1426
00:55:03,109 --> 00:55:01,760
in their gear i was about to shift the

1427
00:55:04,150 --> 00:55:03,119
forest

1428
00:55:06,710 --> 00:55:04,160
and

1429
00:55:08,390 --> 00:55:06,720
start suddenly something happened i come

1430
00:55:12,630 --> 00:55:08,400
back to my car

1431
00:55:14,309 --> 00:55:12,640
my um i'm in third gear and i'm drifting

1432
00:55:15,589 --> 00:55:14,319
to the right

1433
00:55:16,470 --> 00:55:15,599
where i

1434
00:55:17,910 --> 00:55:16,480
you know

1435
00:55:19,990 --> 00:55:17,920
instead of merging

1436
00:55:22,549 --> 00:55:20,000
and all these cars around me are like

1437
00:55:24,230 --> 00:55:22,559
get away from them

1438
00:55:26,470 --> 00:55:24,240
and they're all peeling out around me

1439
00:55:28,870 --> 00:55:26,480
and trying to because something happened

1440
00:55:29,750 --> 00:55:28,880
they they were there for it i wasn't

1441
00:55:31,510 --> 00:55:29,760
right

1442
00:55:33,349 --> 00:55:31,520
that's good

1443
00:55:35,670 --> 00:55:33,359
let me ask you this what do you think

1444
00:55:37,430 --> 00:55:35,680
about people who say

1445
00:55:39,190 --> 00:55:37,440
and i've had people say this to me that

1446
00:55:41,349 --> 00:55:39,200
they wish they could experience an

1447
00:55:43,109 --> 00:55:41,359
abduction

1448
00:55:45,190 --> 00:55:43,119
i think i think they should be careful

1449
00:55:46,710 --> 00:55:45,200
what they wish for and they probably are

1450
00:55:49,109 --> 00:55:46,720
being abducted they just don't remember

1451
00:55:51,349 --> 00:55:49,119
it maybe

1452
00:55:54,150 --> 00:55:51,359
because i think every single person is

1453
00:55:57,030 --> 00:55:54,160
an abductivity but most people don't

1454
00:56:00,470 --> 00:55:57,040
know about it and um and some don't want

1455
00:56:02,390 --> 00:56:00,480
to know and that's fine you know

1456
00:56:04,950 --> 00:56:02,400
it's hard to know it because once you

1457
00:56:06,630 --> 00:56:04,960
know it it changes you it changes your

1458
00:56:09,750 --> 00:56:06,640
world view

1459
00:56:11,750 --> 00:56:09,760
and it makes you a little bit

1460
00:56:14,230 --> 00:56:11,760
twitchy you know when you start hearing

1461
00:56:15,270 --> 00:56:14,240
about ufos and um

1462
00:56:16,549 --> 00:56:15,280
you know

1463
00:56:18,230 --> 00:56:16,559
it makes you

1464
00:56:20,309 --> 00:56:18,240
either want to put your head in the sand

1465
00:56:22,230 --> 00:56:20,319
and not know anything about it or

1466
00:56:24,390 --> 00:56:22,240
be suddenly

1467
00:56:28,230 --> 00:56:24,400
incentivized to do something

1468
00:56:30,150 --> 00:56:28,240
or to find out as much as possible

1469
00:56:32,789 --> 00:56:30,160
there's one more thing i wanted to ask

1470
00:56:36,230 --> 00:56:32,799
you before we go and you have written in

1471
00:56:37,510 --> 00:56:36,240
your book that abductors and et's are

1472
00:56:39,510 --> 00:56:37,520
narcissists

1473
00:56:41,430 --> 00:56:39,520
what do you mean by that

1474
00:56:44,710 --> 00:56:41,440
i mean that they are they have no

1475
00:56:47,510 --> 00:56:44,720
emotions they mimic our emotions back to

1476
00:56:49,589 --> 00:56:47,520
us and always coerce us to

1477
00:56:51,030 --> 00:56:49,599
do things for them you know they're

1478
00:56:53,109 --> 00:56:51,040
manipulative

1479
00:56:53,990 --> 00:56:53,119
they're gaslighting us

1480
00:56:58,230 --> 00:56:54,000
they're

1481
00:56:59,430 --> 00:56:58,240
us like cattle but they want us to feel

1482
00:57:02,069 --> 00:56:59,440
special

1483
00:57:04,069 --> 00:57:02,079
and so they use a lot of the tactics

1484
00:57:06,870 --> 00:57:04,079
that narcissists use you know they use

1485
00:57:08,710 --> 00:57:06,880
love bombing oh you're so special i love

1486
00:57:09,910 --> 00:57:08,720
you you're the best and

1487
00:57:10,950 --> 00:57:09,920
i need you

1488
00:57:13,829 --> 00:57:10,960
you know

1489
00:57:15,829 --> 00:57:13,839
and um but yeah they're not giving us

1490
00:57:16,789 --> 00:57:15,839
anything that we need right they're

1491
00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:16,799
taking

1492
00:57:20,870 --> 00:57:19,200
they're just thinking and then they wipe

1493
00:57:22,630 --> 00:57:20,880
our memories we can't remember anything

1494
00:57:24,630 --> 00:57:22,640
so then the next time they pull that on

1495
00:57:26,870 --> 00:57:24,640
us we don't remember anything so then

1496
00:57:29,910 --> 00:57:26,880
they can use us again so that's why i

1497
00:57:34,230 --> 00:57:29,920
think they're narcissists

1498
00:57:36,390 --> 00:57:34,240
so um how can people contact you or get

1499
00:57:38,230 --> 00:57:36,400
your book and uh do you have anything

1500
00:57:42,069 --> 00:57:38,240
planned for the future

1501
00:57:44,549 --> 00:57:42,079
um i i can find you on amazon.com also

1502
00:57:46,630 --> 00:57:44,559
um my book's there you can go to my

1503
00:57:48,630 --> 00:57:46,640
website you can contact me at

1504
00:57:51,910 --> 00:57:48,640
abductedandfurious

1505
00:57:54,390 --> 00:57:51,920
yahoo.com i'm also on facebook

1506
00:57:55,190 --> 00:57:54,400
uh abducted and furious

1507
00:57:56,630 --> 00:57:55,200
um

1508
00:57:57,910 --> 00:57:56,640
i think yeah

1509
00:57:59,750 --> 00:57:57,920
on facebook

1510
00:58:01,990 --> 00:57:59,760
and um

1511
00:58:03,190 --> 00:58:02,000
and i am thinking of writing another

1512
00:58:05,030 --> 00:58:03,200
book

1513
00:58:06,950 --> 00:58:05,040
um but uh

1514
00:58:09,349 --> 00:58:06,960
right now with all of the weird things

1515
00:58:11,990 --> 00:58:09,359
going on i'm trying to figure out how to

1516
00:58:13,190 --> 00:58:12,000
make it kind of more linear you know

1517
00:58:17,030 --> 00:58:13,200
that

1518
00:58:19,109 --> 00:58:17,040
just you know i started where it started

1519
00:58:20,950 --> 00:58:19,119
and i ended you know in the middle

1520
00:58:23,030 --> 00:58:20,960
um but now

1521
00:58:25,430 --> 00:58:23,040
there's so many

1522
00:58:27,270 --> 00:58:25,440
it's not as clear-cut or before it felt

1523
00:58:28,870 --> 00:58:27,280
more clear-cut

1524
00:58:30,950 --> 00:58:28,880
so interesting

1525
00:58:32,230 --> 00:58:30,960
yeah so like i said before if you if you

1526
00:58:34,230 --> 00:58:32,240
want to talk you know you know how to

1527
00:58:37,349 --> 00:58:34,240
contact me so um

1528
00:58:39,270 --> 00:58:37,359
you you have a good weekend and uh i i

1529
00:58:41,430 --> 00:58:39,280
hope to be talking to you soon

1530
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:41,440
yes i will definitely contact you thank

1531
00:58:47,829 --> 00:58:44,850
you so much you take care okay bye-bye

1532
00:58:50,150 --> 00:58:47,839
[Music]

1533
00:58:52,230 --> 00:58:50,160
now if you have an unexplained encounter

1534
00:58:54,549 --> 00:58:52,240
or sighting feel free to contact me

1535
00:58:56,309 --> 00:58:54,559
through the fans of monsters blog site i

1536
00:58:58,230 --> 00:58:56,319
want to again thank lisa o'hara for

1537
00:58:59,750 --> 00:58:58,240
joining me this evening and thanks to

1538
00:59:00,789 --> 00:58:59,760
each and all of you for watching and

1539
00:59:03,030 --> 00:59:00,799
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1540
00:59:04,789 --> 00:59:03,040
uh if you made a super chat donation

1541
00:59:07,430 --> 00:59:04,799
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1542
00:59:09,829 --> 00:59:07,440
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1543
00:59:12,230 --> 00:59:09,839
like subscribe and share

1544
00:59:14,230 --> 00:59:12,240
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1545
00:59:16,309 --> 00:59:14,240
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1546
00:59:18,549 --> 00:59:16,319
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1547
00:59:21,109 --> 00:59:18,559
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1548
00:59:24,470 --> 00:59:21,119
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1549
00:59:26,950 --> 00:59:24,480
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1550
00:59:30,309 --> 00:59:26,960
now i did want to see that the wing the

1551
00:59:33,589 --> 00:59:30,319
worldwide winged humanoid project

1552
00:59:34,549 --> 00:59:33,599
is still asking for reports uh if you

1553
00:59:36,950 --> 00:59:34,559
have

1554
00:59:37,910 --> 00:59:36,960
had a sighting in the chicagoland metro

1555
00:59:40,150 --> 00:59:37,920
area

1556
00:59:42,870 --> 00:59:40,160
or anywhere else uh for that matter

1557
00:59:45,430 --> 00:59:42,880
please contact me through my email or

1558
00:59:48,150 --> 00:59:45,440
you can call me at four one zero two

1559
00:59:50,069 --> 00:59:48,160
four one five nine seven four

1560
00:59:52,230 --> 00:59:50,079
so next week

1561
00:59:54,870 --> 00:59:52,240
we will be conducting another round

1562
00:59:57,190 --> 00:59:54,880
table discussion and this time

1563
00:59:58,710 --> 00:59:57,200
the subject will be mothman and winged

1564
01:00:01,589 --> 00:59:58,720
humanoids

1565
01:00:04,870 --> 01:00:01,599
and our guest will be tobias whalen

1566
01:00:07,190 --> 01:00:04,880
emmanuel navrette and travis short so

1567
01:00:09,750 --> 01:00:07,200
that should be quite interesting

1568
01:00:11,349 --> 01:00:09,760
and very informative and look we've got

1569
01:00:13,349 --> 01:00:11,359
a lot of things to catch up on with

1570
01:00:15,430 --> 01:00:13,359
what's been going on in chicago as well

1571
01:00:17,349 --> 01:00:15,440
so uh

1572
01:00:20,630 --> 01:00:17,359
we'll make sure that we talk a bit about

1573
01:00:21,430 --> 01:00:20,640
that as when we get into that discussion

1574
01:00:24,390 --> 01:00:21,440
so

1575
01:00:34,930 --> 01:00:24,400
until next week stay healthy have a safe

1576
01:01:01,910 --> 01:00:51,720
[Music]

1577
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:08,940
do

1578
01:01:08,950 --> 01:01:16,309
[Music]

1579
01:01:16,319 --> 01:01:23,070
so